After tea, Pip and Estella board a coach to head for Surrey Richmond. They pass Newgate Prison and start to speak of Jaggers. Estella admits to knowing him since before she can remember (as a very young child), but not closely. (Jaggers basically ignored her during dinner at Miss Havisham’s back home. It was obvious enough for Pip to take notice.) She seems interested in Pip’s relationship with Jaggers, but maybe she’s just making conversation. Pip is pleased to see her making an effort to be charming for him. At least she’s not being wicked like she was when they were younger!